Lee C

at #8350

Hi Marquis

I Will take a shot at the answer.

Because you are in a turned stance, or the destination of the finished bong. Therefore the incoming punch has been moved off centre with the bong and the turn. Without the turn the punch stays on the face.

There is also explanation here 7.8 Muk Yan Jong Fat (Wooden Dummy Technique) Section 1 , Wooden Dummy – Section 1, Part 3

Sifu probably has more little gems but this is the best I can offer.

Cheers mate, hope this is ok and not leading you astray.

Lee C

at #8279

Cheers Sifu. Just read again thanks for the reply

Lee C

at #8180

Hi Howard

Hello to you. Well done for joining mate.

Lee (another club member)

Lee C

at #8110

Hi Jagdish

Try this link https://wingchun.online/topic/14-4-knife-form-applications-section-8/

Hope it helps

Lee C

at #7799

Hi guys

My take on it is that I don’t regard lap as a thing to do where I do not hang onto it for overly long periods. Just enough to punch.

Hopefully I’m understanding the details from Nick.

The lapper could in the first instance punch with the other hand. This removes the need for a counter. They could also gum as in second section of SLT. I also wonder where their thumb is. If it’s not on top of the wrist the wrist lock cannot be obtained as easily as it can if the thumb were under maybe or even a tan (from the lapee) at that time could cause an issue to the lapper.

My other thoughts are that I’m having a hard time visualising the lapee holding the lapper with their other hand. I wonder if the lap is performed correctly or even if the lappee is cheating the exercise by not having a wu sau. If so the lapper should be using their other hand to lift the elbow of the lappee to get an arm lock.

As Dwayne said keep the questions coming. Not that I have all the answers but they cause me to search and look. I couldn’t find an answer exactly but come across a few good blogs on the site. I’ll post my favourite in another reply to this question from Nick.

Cheers

Lee C

at #7800

1/ https://wingchun.online/lap-sau-exercise-top-tips/

Lee C

at #7801

2/ https://wingchun.online/making-the-inside-gum-work/

Lee C

at #7766

Hi guys

My opinion is as soon as the huen is felt by the person in the tan position they should go straight for the punch. In so doing it prevents the huen being able to continue into a low side palm or punch. Instead the huen needs to bong or get hit in the face.

Tan to punch needs to be aggressive.

Lee C

at #7767

This is not the exact video for my explanation but it comes close or may give you the idea

2.3 Double handed – Chi Sau journey

• Chi Sau Aggressive Changes – Part 2 (Ding Sau)
• Chi Sau Aggressive Changes – Part 3 (Ding Sau Fluidity and Keeping Contact)

Lee C

at #7740

Hi Marquis

Maybe this blog will explain

The Order Of Forms

Lee C

at #8522

Thanks Sifu

I can do that. Over the coming days.

In France this week.

May get to the Thursday class if I am lucky.

Lee C

at #8392

Thanks for the reply.
I agree it’s a funny feeling but I’ve been trying to find a way.

When I play the dummy I always do it left hand and right hand, therefore twice through in total minimum. I make the changes where necessary to ensure the right side is done the same as the left side. Which means I don’t have a difference on that garn once both sides are completed.

I also use your instruction for the Kwan sau to do this garn. From tan and punch I get my arms into the garn. The punch hand is lower so comes back and up on the inside, the tan goes forward over the top and down, only then do I move my foot and then I do the garn with the hip rotation. It’s a funny feeling but I still like it.

I have another dummy question btw. But I need to watch your videos and make sure of what you say before I ask.

Thanks again Sifu

Lee C

at #8359

Oh yes still here. Still at it. Still trying to be good at chi sau.

👍thanks Sifu

Lee C

at #8069

Cheers Sifu
I think I understand your meaning.

Recognising those different scenarios is where I feel I need to start or be aware of.

Lee C

at #8063

Cheers Duanne. I can only imagine you were thinking of your younger wilder days when reading the title.

Thanks for the uses of the bong that you suggested or use.

I definitely use the bong as a defensive tool but I like how it feels when I know the punch is coming and I attack it with the bong.

Some practice on the high garn and bong will certainly help.

👍